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  天堂不再是天堂已经很久了,我倒也不是没有想法,时机成熟时自然会去尝试。我也相信凭着不必寄望于此盈利的立场可以做到更公平和更合理,只是为此所需的付出可能要有更好一点的思想准备罢了。

留言者:xu168发表于:2013-06-17 11:49:24
站长许久没更新了,期待新的文章学习。天堂论坛环境好像差了好多,如果站长可另辟空间作外国钱币或亚洲钱币的论坛,该多好。

留言者:manz发表于:2013-06-14 22:03:29
海峡值民地
谢谢你给我建议。

留言者:sinial发表于:2013-06-14 14:25:32
海峡殖民地1926 20C
或者建议放到论坛上贴图听一听更多人的意见

留言者:manz发表于:2013-06-13 19:19:23
海峡值民地
我所知海峡值民维多利亞 10cent 1872h 和 1873 有出过铜的,可是我的这个1926 20cent 真的确确实实是铜的,历史资料上我找不到,会不会是仿品?还在市场上流通过,有磨损。很多藏家没见过

留言者:sinial发表于:2013-06-13 02:18:29
海峡殖民地1926 20C
本来含银量也不高,不排除由于表面磨损+氧化看上去样子像铜币。也不算是稀奇的年版,会是仿品几率不高。

留言者:manz发表于:2013-06-12 20:07:15
海峡值民地
我有一枚1926 20cent 海峡值民钱币,哪是铜的,第一次见过,有行家说哪是早期的仿制品,有谁见过?请给意见谢谢。

留言者:sinial发表于:2013-04-21 09:44:27
岛钱分类泉谱
Scott Semans那边现在还有卖,$25,我的也是他那里买的。
www.coincoin.com/bkAZ.htm
Shima Sen Bunrui Senpu

留言者:林客发表于:2013-04-21 01:47:16
关于岛钱分类泉谱
您好,Sinial,关于岛钱分类泉谱,广濑写的那本,您这边有pdf么?或是能有些copy么?谢谢

留言者:sinial发表于:2013-04-16 21:05:54
关于岛钱分类泉谱
请查收邮件

留言者:kevinfun发表于:2013-04-16 16:33:06
您好!
请问《岛钱分类泉谱》哪里能找到?我有一些钱币不能确定是安南钱还是岛屿钱,可否提供帮助?

留言者:sinial发表于:2012-10-06 01:21:14
很高兴能有对南洋钱币感兴趣的新朋友
可惜对于当地的店铺和市场我无法给出什么具体的信息,主因我自身并非客寓南洋。当年南洋学会许云樵先生等诸位前辈得以在南洋实地考察研究而有所建树,小弟心向往之也非一日,可惜俗人困于生计始终无缘。期望能有良机得偿心愿吧。

留言者:ding发表于:2012-10-03 11:46:19
您好
初入门的新人,对海峡殖民地的钱币比较感兴趣,请问在当地(新马)有比较好的实体店铺或者类似跳蚤市场的钱币交易场所吗?去过牛车水和golden mile,要不规模太小要不价格离谱。不知道你曾提及的steven tan的店如何。
另外,兄台客寓何方啊?新加坡,大马还是泰国呢

留言者:sinial发表于:2012-09-26 01:09:47
关于吕宋华人的方孔货币
赐教不敢当,曾有听说过这方面的信息,但是我手头也没有充分的资料,如果可能不知道是否方便发给我图片,我也很有兴趣学习学习。

留言者:shenjie发表于:2012-09-23 19:12:31
您好!
请问吕宋华人有做方孔货币吗?近见吕宋五文钱一枚,不解,望先生赐教,谢谢!

留言者:sinial发表于:2012-08-29 23:18:38
关于购买的渠道
个人感觉来说东南亚钱币的购买渠道与其他领域的相去无几,eBay也好主流的几大拍卖会也好都可以关注,反而对于东南亚当地的市场可能不能寄予太大的希望

留言者:品相第一发表于:2012-07-24 19:35:11
感兴趣
我对这段历史和相关的钱币很感兴趣,不知道有什么渠道能够购买到相关的钱币?请版主给予提示为盼!

留言者:sinial发表于:2011-10-25 00:26:22
基本常识问题
还真没什么可赌的。现在社会的浮躁气太重,玩钱币的也没几个认认真真去读史书的,有些是唯利是图视而不见,有些则只不过是为了虚荣二字而已。
看看那位老先生的依据吧,只要对东南亚史有基本的认识,也不会说出这么可笑的话来吧?长篇大论一大堆,可惜句句皆误。
对任何文字写成的东西都不加分辨的当成可信的材料,算是爱好“社科类读物”《故事会》的某些人的同类吧。

留言者:小心翼翼发表于:2011-10-21 00:48:25
都是乱说
看了半天,原来是斗嘴啊,有什么意思,什么清净不清净,有人的地方就热闹。不行你们就赌一把。

留言者:风林火山发表于:2011-07-10 23:00:24
巡逻
在EBAY巡逻看到一物望兄看天堂留言

留言者:sinial发表于:2011-06-04 11:53:24
访问数统计的符号
其实是泰文数字,算是比较符合我这个小网站的主题吧

留言者:name发表于:2011-05-23 14:22:45
冒泡
首页底下的访问数统计中那些奇怪的符号有出处吗?

留言者:sinial发表于:2010-12-21 23:42:29
就此打住吧
小站本是清静之地,没兴趣玩口舌。
言之有据,是我玩钱币的原则,贩夫走卒辈随口胡诌,我所不取。
裴先生倘若真有兴趣知道三佛齐到底是向谁朝贡,去看看《宋史》外国传的三佛齐部分吧。

留言者:裴元博(泉痴山人)发表于:2010-12-21 02:24:55
答sinial先生
您对“史丹”钱的真实性持保留态度,那是您的权利,无可厚非。但您把“史丹”钱贬为伪造品、臆造品的理由:“此类没有早期记载作为佐证的钱币突然集中大量的出现在市场上”,似乎有些武断,不那么令人心悦诚服!因为前面你说了这些钱有记载,这会又说没记载,岂不是自食其言?至于突然大量出现在市场上,就说假的,是否过于主观,难道不允许一坑出个几百枚?出多就假,出少就真,天下那有这么鉴定钱币的?
“万丹”、“x丹”汉文钱我在您的网站已见过,而且是方孔圆钱,否则不会提起,您是否忘记了?最后谢谢您的告诫。但我要声明的是:我没有也不敢大胆假设,我的提议正是站在世界各国前辈学者的成果基础上提出的,我不敢有额外的那怕是适当的怀疑,就这样学长都指责我,随意偏离既有成果则难免偏颇。先生说的是:小心求证,必不可少。至理名言,不敢与先生您共勉,后学自己加勉足矣。
2010-12-21于北京

留言者:裴元博(泉痴山人)发表于:2010-12-21 02:18:05
答sinial先生
谢先生指奌及直言不讳的批评。对印尼钱币我确实涉猎不多,应说是一个地道的门外汉。但我提出使丹利宝等钱有可能是出使契丹国的当时马来国家人铸的钱币!并非痴人说梦,而是有事实做依据的。
依据之一、一个印尼热爱中国文物的华侨(名字未记住!)于2007年(可能不准确!)在印尼最大的华文报纸上发表题为“瓜哇岛有大量中国古董存在”(大意如此),文中谈到辽金钱币时,称岛上有很多大陆未见珍稀钱币和罕见版别,呼吁中国文物部门对海外中国文物给予重视。
依据之二,日本人平尾春水(原为中国人)在爪哇岛买了数吨(七吨?)中国铜钱从中挑出了许多辽金钱币,其中有著名的金代天辅元宝小平、贞佑元宝小平当时为孤品大珍。后两枚钱转归了新加坡陈光扬。
依据之三、现代中国学者已考证出契丹不仅是草原大国而且也是海上大国,他们的海船不但到过南洋诸岛,而且到过非洲等地。
爪哇岛的辽金钱币及宋钱的发现无可置疑地证明了这段史实。当时世界只知有契丹而不知有宋国,传闻契丹黄金铺地珠宝成山富得让人眼红。和契丹有过接触的马来人怎能不心动?怎能不想出使契丹开开眼界?虽然这段历史没有记载,但不代表它不存在。爪哇岛平尾春水发现辽金珍钱的事实恰恰弥补了历史的缺失。
再分析一下“史丹利宝”、“吏丹利宝”、“司丹元宝”、“史丹裕民”的具体情况,前三枚钱说明这批钱是学习中国“宝钱制”铸造的,据我所知井里汶钱币体系没有实行过“宝钱制”,明以后华人只铸通宝钱没见“元宝”钱。所以这些钱在马来史书中没有记载,井里汶钱币对此也一字未提。足见它们不是井里汶和明以后华人铸造的。
第四枚钱的民字是汉字篆书体,我翻遍井里汶和明以后华人铸造的钱币中都不见汉字篆书体钱文,这个“民”字足以证明这些“使丹”钱和井里汶和明以后华人铸币无任何瓜葛。
“使丹”钱钱文是汉字,这点先生是认可的。它们读音是否读作汉语?我想它们其码不应读作马来语。 “史、吏、司”都是“使”的陋写与音讹。这也说明它们共同的读音是汉语“使”,而不是马来语“苏、素”。再有,此批钱铸时南洋诸岛尚未伊斯兰化,还没诞生“苏丹”,何来“史、吏、司”都是“素、苏”的音译?音译也只能译作“苏、素”,怎么会译作“史、吏、司”?它们根本声韵不搭界吗!
这批钱据传十八世纪出水于旧港,您说“史丹”早期华人文献有记载,这个记载是否是记述这批汉文钱的铸造发行历史?您说的早期华人的“史丹”是马来语的音译还是华语的读音?
最有说服力的是当地铸的中古汉文铅锡钱,咸平元宝、元丰通宝、元佑通宝、皇宋通宝,这些都是用北宋钱翻铸的,因为契丹主要行用北宋铜钱,所以这些铅锡钱的翻铸母钱就可能是契丹商人帯来的北宋钱、其中的咸平元宝折三钱不见北宋钱,其应是契丹仿铸的。除北宋钱外,那枚著名的“高昌吉利钱”帯有明显的契丹风格,它也应是契丹仿铸。高昌国是唐及契丹的附属国,大陆已发现多种契丹铸“高昌吉利钱”,这枚定契丹仿铸并不意外。
这么多实物和活生生的事实,难道还说明不了契丹人确实到过爪哇、旧港,这些钱是当时马来人国家为纪念派遣使臣出使契丹而特殊铸造的汉文钱?借用王雪阳先生的一段话:“公元695年、702年、716年、724年、728年,室利佛逝国多次遣使朝贡。10世纪初叶,唐昭宗天佑元年(公元904年,三年后灭亡),中国文献称旧港为 三佛齐(阿拉伯语Zabadj,爪哇语Samboja)。公元1004年、1017年、1029年、1078年、1079年、1089年、1091年,三佛齐沿袭前世,继续保持同中国友好往来,多次遣使朝贡。”1004年、1017年、1029年、1078年、1079年、1089年、1091年,多次遣使朝贡。是向谁遣使朝贡?难道不是向契丹吗?地球人谁都知道宋是向契丹纳贡的,室利佛逝国能不向契丹朝贡而向宋纳贡吗?
您说“‘史丹’是东南亚华人对当地伊斯兰化国家君主称号Sultan的称呼,有早期华人文献可资佐证。带“史丹”两字的井里汶钱币系18世纪初产物,也有19世纪中期的欧洲人记载证明。至于“使丹利宝”这类钱币,鉴于如您所知各领域钱币共有的伪造品、臆造品问题,而此类没有早期记载作为佐证的钱币突然集中大量的出现在市场上,故我对其真实性持有保留的意见,更不必说仅以币文猜度其来源。”
我仅知道伊斯兰世界对君主的称呼统一为“苏丹”,难道东南亚华人特殊,称君主为“史丹”?至于19世纪中期的欧洲人记载18世纪“史丹”钱,难道晚了近150余年的欧洲人记得就准确无误?他们依据什么,文献现在可还存在?他们的记载能说明什么?谁能保证他们的记载不是偏见,不是想当然?因为这些欧洲人不是东方钱币学家,他们对“史丹”钱的记载不足为信是必然的。再说用十八、十九世纪的观点评论十一、十二世纪的钱币是不是有些风马牛不相及,十九世纪欧洲人有几个知道契丹?用未知评论已知,岂不是越评越乱?
您对“史丹”钱的真实性持保

留言者:潍县郭氏发表于:2010-12-12 02:34:53
关于本站
偶然从机制币进入此站,顿觉新颖,甚为吸引,真有学问,佩服!有志者,事竟成,祝版主越办越好,成为有影响力的网站。

留言者:sinial发表于:2010-12-01 00:50:08
答裴先生
  谢谢裴先生对本站的关注。
  从现有资料来看,被称为pitis或者cash的铅锡材质仿中国铜钱样式钱币在东南亚的广泛流通,应该还是在明初永乐通宝钱通过朝贡等形式大量流向东南亚之后的产物。
  “史丹”是东南亚华人对当地伊斯兰化国家君主称号Sultan的称呼,有早期华人文献可资佐证。带“史丹”两字的井里汶钱币系18世纪初产物,也有19世纪中期的欧洲人记载证明。至于“使丹利宝”这类钱币,鉴于如您所知各领域钱币共有的伪造品、臆造品问题,而此类没有早期记载作为佐证的钱币突然集中大量的出现在市场上,故我对其真实性持有保留的意见,更不必说仅以币文猜度其来源。
  至于万丹,系Bantam的音译,为爪哇岛伊斯兰化过程中于16世纪出现的苏丹国。至于其钱币,带有五边形或六边形内穿的铜币在国内论坛上也偶有出现,可惜并非中文。
  窃以为大胆假设,也需要站在世界各国前辈学者的成果基础上,适当的怀疑固然必要,随意偏离既有成果则难免偏颇。而小心求证,更是必不可少。与您共勉。

留言者:裴元博(泉痴山人)发表于:2010-11-30 17:28:16
放开思路
您是否可以把东南亚钱币,如:使丹利宝、万丹等,与契丹国联系起来?能出现高昌吉利钱就有可能出现使丹利宝是出使契丹国的当时马来国家人铸的钱币!

留言者:sinial发表于:2010-10-17 22:26:51
关于泰国币书籍
泰国币的领域比较广,适合的书籍要看目的和范围。
据我了解似乎没有相关的中文资料,泰文的不了解,简单介绍下英文的。

克劳斯目录
作为拉玛四世之后的近现代钱币入门应该还算凑合

Standard Catalog of Thai Coins(2005版)
主要涵盖曼谷王朝时期,有分级标价

Siamese Coins: From Funan To The Fifth Reign
偏钱币史的著作,预定2011年初出版

Sammlung Kohler-Osbahr Band II/3: Siamesische Porzellantoken
暹罗陶瓷代币方面目前的最佳资料
可以参考本站钱币资料栏目的《暹罗陶瓷代币综述》

The Native Coinages of the Malay Peninsula
关于暹南马来各邦钱币为数不多的资料之一
相应的部分本站有中文翻译在钱币资料栏目的《马来半岛的本土硬币》

留言者:钱如命发表于:2010-10-12 16:40:38
泰国币书籍
请推荐几本介绍泰国币的书,谢谢

留言者:sinial发表于:2010-06-29 21:00:15
bo兄已经在钱币天堂你那贴下留言

留言者:bo发表于:2010-06-29 10:53:22
不懂求肋
长方形铜币
TOENTOENGAN
豐 20 CENTS 湧
EONG HONG
背面中文"貳角"
不知是哪的代用币?

留言者:lam发表于:2010-03-30 22:44:53
好网站
好网站,感谢站主的无私,望网站越办越好,让更多人认识到南洋钱币。

留言者:fourth发表于:2010-03-16 13:34:44
Eur-Seree
一直想參加其拍賣,但註冊時要填參人,網主是怎樣解決的?本人主攻緬甸,有機會交流.

留言者:xyx发表于:2009-12-16 22:29:12
可惜说到英语是大大的一字不通。呵呵

留言者:xyx发表于:2009-12-16 22:25:07
我喜欢收藏钱币
我喜欢收藏钱币,喜欢收藏钱币知识,谢谢了。收藏了本站,一定常来品读,就像回到历史。

留言者:xu168发表于:2009-10-08 20:42:56
受益匪浅
好网站,感谢站主的无私,望网站越办越好,让更多人认识到南洋钱币。

留言者:盛观熙发表于:2009-05-11 11:28:00
RE
李先生:
因手头有课题,很少联系.近偶见你网站面貌一新,并且增添了大量的内容.我有个想法,等亚洲钱币学会会长黄汉森来上海时,有机会咱们面谈.祝坚持下去,必有成果!

留言者:ericsiew发表于:2009-04-16 10:07:56
得益匪浅
sinial老师,看了你整理出来的资料,还拟对马来半岛土产钱币的学识,真让我这个在南洋土生土长的华裔侨胞惭愧不已。希望能多多向你学习。。期待您继续贴补版上待建的空缺。。 加油!

留言者:kfc24_cn1发表于:2009-02-10 21:38:24
专业!
后辈受益非浅!

留言者:bpqd发表于:2008-10-26 17:06:17
.............
第一次来你的网站,粗粗看下已经受益非浅了,实在让我自己惭愧啊!

留言者:sinial发表于:2008-03-09 22:55:49
多谢张兄的建议
原本的参考书籍部分是太简单了些,利用周末的时间作了些版面的改进,同时把参考的历史书也都列出来

留言者:八爪鱼发表于:2008-03-07 12:06:33
小建议
在参考书目中,是否再添加些辅助参考类书目?如昨天见到的台湾商务版《暹南别录》等,可吸引一些关注印度支那半岛等地区历史地理的朋友来到小李兄的网站,或许会被这些富有深刻内涵的物品所吸引,产生留念,而爱屋及乌。

留言者:八爪鱼发表于:2008-03-07 11:59:44
问候与祝愿
做梦、织梦、圆梦;开心、留心、用心。愿四季花开,岁岁结果!

留言者:雨田之泉发表于:2008-02-15 07:09:04
sinial老师新年好
您出书的时候,一定要告诉我,谢谢

留言者:sinial发表于:2008-02-07 14:54:16
各位好
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